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	  <p><hi style="font-style:italic;">Dienstag</hi><note xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_a02" type="app" subtype="docNote" place="endpage" facs="#APWIIIC2-1_p0372l26" target="#bsb00056742_00372_026"><p> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_041" n="41"/><hi style="font-style:italic;">26</hi> Itaque] <hi style="font-style:italic;">am Rande:</hi> Actus cum mediatoribus contra responsum Gallorum.</p></note>Itaque sequenti feria tertia hora sexta vespertina <w lemma="accessimus"><orig>ac-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_027" n="27"/><orig>cessimus</orig></w> dominos mediatores et caussam nostri aduentus ad hunc modum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_028" n="28"/>Italico quidem sermone exposuimus:</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_029" n="29"/>Habita deliberatione cum dominis deputatis electoralibus super iis, quae <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_030" n="30"/>plenipotentiarii Galliae nuper ad nostras replicas coram dominis <w lemma="mediatoribus"><orig>mediatori-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_031" n="31"/><orig>bus</orig></w> responderunt, animaduersum est adeo parui illa momenti esse, ut <w lemma="honorandi"><orig>hono-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_032" n="32"/><orig>randi</orig></w> potius ipsos mediatores gratia mentem nostram denuo declarare <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_033" n="33"/>voluerimus, quam ut multum referre iudicaremus tam crebras <w lemma="aduersariorum"><orig>aduersario-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_034" n="34"/><orig>rum</orig></w> refutare tautologias. Vix enim verbum aliquod in toto illo responso <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_035" n="35"/>inuenire est, quod iam ante saepius a nobis refutatum non fuerit.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_036" n="36"/>Breuiter igitur singula percurremus, quo magis magisque Gallorum a pace <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_037" n="37"/>auersio omnibus detegatur ac innotescat. Conquesti sunt primo odiosam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0372l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00372_038" n="38"/>esse scipturariam istam contentionem et satius fore, ut in posterum <w lemma="abstineatur"><orig>abstinea-</orig><pb n="325" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00373"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_001" n="1"/><orig>tur</orig></w>. Libenter accipimus conditionem et facile in eandem descendimus <w lemma="sententiam"><orig>sen-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_002" n="2"/><orig>tentiam</orig></w> hoc unico reseruato, ut posthac ea solum scripto notari debeant, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_003" n="3"/>quae ipsam pacificandi substantiam, media, conditiones, clausulas <w lemma="concernere"><orig>concer-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_004" n="4"/><orig>nere</orig></w> possunt, quo melius inter utrasque partes de his talibus in progressu <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_005" n="5"/>tractatuum constare neque in praeiudicium unius alteriusve lapsus <w lemma="memoriae"><orig>memo-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_006" n="6"/><orig>riae</orig></w> obtendi possit. Nam ut verum fateamur, nunquam a nostra quidem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_007" n="7"/>parte scriptis aut libellis certatum ac replicatum fuisset, nisi ipsi Galli <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_008" n="8"/>cum suis ab omni ratione alienis propositionibus caussam nobis dedissent. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_009" n="9"/>Ad secundum illud quaesitum, cuiusmodi fuerint illae Caesarae maiestatis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_010" n="10"/>resolutiones, quibus statibus et ordinibus imperii ad hos congressus venire <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_011" n="11"/>permissum, breuiter respondere possumus hoc ad Gallos nihil pertinere, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_012" n="12"/>cum sufficere debeat ipsosmet imperii ordines contentos esse firmata iam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_013" n="13"/>utrinque conclusione diaetam Francofurtensem huc ad hosce nostros de pace <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_014" n="14"/>tractatus transferri debere. Quod ad ea, quae pro domino electore Treuerensi <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_015" n="15"/>postulantur, attinet, videmus per ipsosmet dominos mediatores optime et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_016" n="16"/>solidissime replicatum fuisse. Duo tantum consideranda restant, quibus Galli <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_017" n="17"/>aliquanto pertinacius insistere velle videantur. Quorum prius est, quod in <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_018" n="18"/>conuentione Hamburgensi salui conductus etiam pro aliis electoribus ad eum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_019" n="19"/>plane modum, quo pro Treuirensi, promissi fuerint. Alterum, quod retento <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_020" n="20"/>isto conuentus electorales non videantur esse posse legitimi, adeo ut ipsa <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_021" n="21"/>pacis tractatio secura iniri nequeat, nisi facultatem accedendi ipsusmet [!] <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_022" n="22"/>Treuirensis pari modo [ut] caeteri habeat.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_023" n="23"/>Ad priorem obiectionem respondemus Gallos hic committere fallaciam a <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_024" n="24"/>disiunctis ad coniuncta. Verum quidem est in allegata conuentione saluos <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_025" n="25"/>conductus his verbis promitti ’item pro deputatis electoris Coloniensis, item <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_026" n="26"/>pro deputatis electoris Bauariae‘, sed interea aduertendum illam <w lemma="promissionem"><orig>promissio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_027" n="27"/><orig>nem</orig></w> fieri ex parte regis Galliae ad stipulationem Imperatoris, non vero vice <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_028" n="28"/>versa. Unde, cum manifesta sit differentia inter utriusque faederatos et <w lemma="adhaerentes"><orig>ad-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_029" n="29"/><orig>haerentes</orig></w>, non potest valere ab uno ad alterum consequentia. Ex parte enim <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_030" n="30"/>Imperatoris stipulatio fiebat pro principibus in sua libertate positis, ex parte <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_031" n="31"/>Galli autem pro uno, qui iam tum in captiuitatem erat redactus nec iam sui <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_032" n="32"/>iuris sed alterius potestati omnimodae suppositus fuerat. Non igitur dici <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_033" n="33"/>potest, quemadmodum illis principibus licebat venire in propria persona, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_034" n="34"/>ita pariter hoc etiam Treuirensi licere debere. Manet e[r]go firmum <w lemma="argumentum"><orig>argu-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_035" n="35"/><orig>mentum</orig></w> nostrum, quo in replicis dicebamus Caesarem vigore conuentionis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_036" n="36"/>Hamburgensis ad aliud non esse obligatum, quam ut saluos conductus pro <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_037" n="37"/>deputatis electoris Treuirensis et non pro illo ipsomet dare deberet. Secunda <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_038" n="38"/>Gallorum obiectio eiusmodi est, quae omnes principatus, omnes res publicas <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_039" n="39"/>convellit. Res quippe inaudita est, casu quo civis aliquis, vasallus, subditus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_040" n="40"/>aut membrum ciuitatis faciat, e regno, principatu, re publica eiectus vel <w lemma="carceri"><orig>car-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_041" n="41"/><orig>ceri</orig></w> mancipatus fuerit, a reliquis ciuibus et ordinibus legitima haberi comitia <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_042" n="42"/>non posse pro stabilienda tranquillitate publica, praesertim si eiusmodi <w lemma="banditi"><orig>ban-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_043" n="43"/><orig>diti</orig></w> inter primas suscitati rumoris, tumultus, belli caussas numerentur. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0373l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00373_044" n="44"/>Deinde in imperio Romano adeo noua res non est unum aliquem electorem<pb n="326" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00374"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_001" n="1"/>sua propria culpa conuentibus electoribus excludi aut praeteriri. Atque <w lemma="ipsemet"><orig>ipse-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_002" n="2"/><orig>met</orig></w> Treuirensis aliquot conuentibus interfuit, quibus excluso Palatino de <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_003" n="3"/>rebus grauissimis actum. Ille ipse postea, ut proscriberetur, electura <w lemma="priuaretur"><orig>priuare-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_004" n="4"/><orig>tur</orig></w> actaque omnia, quae isto vel sponte absente vel non admisso <w lemma="intercesserant"><orig>intercesse-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_005" n="5"/><orig>rant</orig></w>, tanquam legitima executioni mandarentur, auctor fuit, quemadmodum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_006" n="6"/>scripturis authenticis ex conuentibus anno 1620, 1621, 1623, 1627, 1630 <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_007" n="7"/>habitis doceri potest. Non igitur aegre ferre debet, si hoc idem ius contra <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_008" n="8"/>ipsum retorqueatur iuxta regulam ’quod quisque iuris in alium‘ etc<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374n1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_dok0349_n01"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_043" n="43"/>Digesten II 2.</p></note>.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_009" n="9"/>Quod deinde Galli difficultatem mouent circa nominationem suorum <w lemma="confaederatorum"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_010" n="10"/><orig>faederatorum</orig></w>, haud nos latet artificium, quo hic loci utuntur. Ipsi sunt, qui <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_011" n="11"/>nobis caussam dederunt, ut instaremus, cum toties ingeminarent se <w lemma="confaederatos"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_012" n="12"/><orig>faederatos</orig></w> suos negligere non velle, omnibus conuenientem dari <w lemma="satisfactionem"><orig>satisfactio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_013" n="13"/><orig>nem</orig></w> oportere, ut tandem edicerent, qui essent, quid peterent. Nunc <w lemma="tergiuersari"><orig>tergiuer-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_014" n="14"/><orig>sari</orig></w> non alia caussa, quam quod huiusmodi sub inuolucris plura in <w lemma="perniciem"><orig>perni-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_015" n="15"/><orig>ciem</orig></w> Caesaris machinari meditentur. Attamen minime refragamur, quin de <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_016" n="16"/>confaederatis, postquam ad ipsa pacificationis summa capita deuentum ac <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_017" n="17"/>conuentum fuerit, suo loco et ordine tractetur. Rationi tamen consentaneum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_018" n="18"/>arbitramur, ut statim in primo futurae pacificationis capitulo quaedam <w lemma="clausula"><orig>clau-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_019" n="19"/><orig>sula</orig></w> circa confaederatos inseratur, nimirum utriusque partis confaederatos <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_020" n="20"/>ea pace comprehensos intelligi debere, qui quidem successiue per articulos <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_021" n="21"/>insequentes expresse nominati reperientur et non aliter, ad eum scilicet <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_022" n="22"/>modum, quo in pacificatione Madritensi anno 1526 videre est. Absurda illa <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_023" n="23"/>quaestio a Gallis proposita, an speciale mandatum ad tractandum cum <w lemma="landgrauia"><orig>land-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_024" n="24"/><orig>grauia</orig></w> Hassiae habeamus, multa deliberatione aut responsione digna nobis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_025" n="25"/>haud videtur, cum manifestum sit plenipotentiae nostrae iam dudum <w lemma="publicatae"><orig>publi-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_026" n="26"/><orig>catae</orig></w> et in manus dominorum mediatorum depositae clausulam illam, quam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_027" n="27"/>Galli in campum produxerunt, ut scilicet cum ipsorum confaederatis <w lemma="tractare"><orig>trac-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_028" n="28"/><orig>tare</orig></w> possimus, disertis insertam esse verbis. Tum saepius diximus et denuo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_029" n="29"/>dicimus in nostra instructione comprehendi, ut vel immediate et directe cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_030" n="30"/>ipsa landgrauia eiusque deputatis tractare possimus vel ipsorum arbitrio <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_031" n="31"/>permittamus, ut reconciliationem et compositionem mediantibus Gallis <w lemma="peragat"><orig>per-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_032" n="32"/><orig>agat</orig></w>. Nihil igitur superesse, quod hoc loco a nobis flagitare possint. Verum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_033" n="33"/>aliud hic nobis occurrit maioris utique ponderis a Gallis explorandum, an <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_034" n="34"/>scilicet a rege, regina aut consilio regio in mandatis habeant protestantibus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_035" n="35"/>circa praetensa grauamina de bonis ecclesiasticis assistendi. Permultum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_036" n="36"/>interest, ut rescire ab ipsis cathegoricam aliquam resolutionem possimus. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_037" n="37"/>Etenim ut perfacile unusquisque per se comprehendere potest in his <w lemma="perturbatissimis"><orig>pertur-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_038" n="38"/><orig>batissimis</orig></w> et infelicissimis temporibus fidem catholicam per totam <w lemma="Germaniam"><orig>Germa-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_039" n="39"/><orig>niam</orig></w> presentissimis expositam esse periculis, ita iam protestantes magis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_040" n="40"/>quam antehac cristas erigere incipiunt omnemque lapidem mouent, ut <w lemma="caussam"><orig>caus-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_041" n="41"/><orig>sam</orig></w> istorum grauaminum ad hosce congressus deducere possint sperantes <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0374l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00374_042" n="42"/>auxilio et interuentu Gallorum ac Suecorum omnia se obtinere posse, quae<pb n="327" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00375"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_001" n="1"/>unquam praetendebant. Quodsi ergo Galli expresse se declararent nolle his <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_002" n="2"/>se rebus immiscere atque nullum eapropter protestantibus auxilium <w lemma="praestare"><orig>prae-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_003" n="3"/><orig>stare</orig></w>, tanto facilius adigi possent, ut suo tempore alibi de his tractationem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_004" n="4"/>aliquam institui paterentur. Sin vero Galli conniuere hic velint, impossibile <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_005" n="5"/>erit protestantium intentiones diuertere. Et si admittantur illae de <w lemma="grauaminibus"><orig>grauami-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_006" n="6"/><orig>nibus</orig></w> religionis disputationes, certo certius est, quod aut pacem omnino <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_007" n="7"/>facere non poterimus aut coacti erimus talem iniri, quae rei catholicae per <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_008" n="8"/>totam Germaniam breui tempore perniciem sit allatura. Qua de caussa <w lemma="rogamus"><orig>roga-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_009" n="9"/><orig>mus</orig></w> dominos mediatores etiam atque etiam, omnem adhibere diligentiam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_010" n="10"/>velint, ut a Gallis certa quaedam circa haec talia responsio et declaratio <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_011" n="11"/>exprimatur. Id tamen cautum vellemus, ne haec nostro nomine postulentur, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_012" n="12"/>sed quasi ipso domini mediatores motu proprio ob circumstantias se ad id <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_013" n="13"/>mouentes scire cupiant ob euitandas calumnias, quae hinc a Gallis in <w lemma="Caesarem"><orig>Caesa-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_014" n="14"/><orig>rem</orig></w> apud protestantes coniectum iri probabile est.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_015" n="15"/>Postrema Gallici responsi pars ad ea, quae de securitate conuentis praestanda <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_016" n="16"/>disputata fuere, pertinet nec a sententia, quam dudum opposueramus, abit, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_017" n="17"/>nimirum disputationem hanc ad conclusionem pacificationis remitti <w lemma="oportere"><orig>opor-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_018" n="18"/><orig>tere</orig></w>. Semper ita censuimus, quod frustra de eius rei confirmatione <w lemma="quaereretur"><orig>quaere-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_019" n="19"/><orig>retur</orig></w>, quae nondum extaret. Itaque nihil superest, quod regeramus. Interea <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_020" n="20"/>reseruatum nobis volumus suo tempore, quando fuerit opus, argumenta <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_021" n="21"/>nostra in medium adducendi, quibus ostenditur Caesarem iure merito talem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_022" n="22"/>qualem diximus assecurationem futurae conuentionis a Gallis postulare <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_023" n="23"/>posse. Unicum huius rei exemplum dominis mediatoribus iam quidem <w lemma="considerandum"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_024" n="24"/><orig>siderandum</orig></w> proponere volumus, quod plane in terminis terminantibus ad <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_025" n="25"/>nostrum propositum facere videbunt, in ea scilicet pacificatione, quae inter <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_026" n="26"/>Carolum V. Caesarem et Franciscum primum Galliae regem anno 1529 <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_027" n="27"/>Cameraci inita est. Et haec quidem ad Gallici responsi contenta monuisse <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_028" n="28"/>sufficiat. At vero dolemus in toto isto responso ne verbulum quidem, quod <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_029" n="29"/>ad pacis ipsius media, conditiones et substantiam pertineat, inueniri, <w lemma="quamvis"><orig>quam-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_030" n="30"/><orig>vis</orig></w> in nostris replicis instanter hoc a nobis postulatum fuerit; id quod <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_031" n="31"/>euidenti argumento esse potest, Gallos nec animum nec intentionem ad <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_032" n="32"/>pacem faciendam habere, sed in eo totos esse, ut bellum continuetur suoque <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_033" n="33"/>arbitratu totum imperium Romanum circumagere velint. Sperassemus, si <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_034" n="34"/>nulla ipsa ad pacem proponere media decreuerint, saltem ad nostram <w lemma="propositionem"><orig>pro-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_035" n="35"/><orig>positionem</orig></w> responsuros, cum valde alienum sit a recta ratione et nostram <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_036" n="36"/>prorsus intactam relinquere et simul pertinaciter occultare, quibus illi <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_037" n="37"/>modis, mediis et conditionibus ad pacis tractationem descendere cogitent. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_038" n="38"/>Requirimus igitur dominos mediatores, nouam facere velint Gallis <w lemma="instantiam"><orig>instan-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_039" n="39"/><orig>tiam</orig></w>, ut animi sui sensa circa nostram propositionem aperiant, quo vel hoc <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_040" n="40"/>modo ad tractatuum initia deueniri possit.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_041" n="41"/>Haec cum dixissemus, respondit Venetus se quidem omnia diligenter Gallis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_042" n="42"/>renunciaturos, sed quod existimet officium mediatorum non in referendo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_043" n="43"/>tantum, quae ultro citroque dicuntur, consistere, sed ad eosdem pertinere <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0375l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00375_044" n="44"/>omni conuenienti negocium facilius ac plenius reddere, ideo sperare nobis<pb n="328" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00376"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_001" n="1"/>non fore molestum, si quasdam admonitiones in medium proferat. Inde <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_002" n="2"/>singula breuiter percurrens: Quoad primum rem per se claram atque ita <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_003" n="3"/>quidem fieri oportere. Ad secundum ad Gallos quidem principaliter haec non <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_004" n="4"/>spectare, sed tamen, quod ipsi pro statibus imperii libertatis patrocinium <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_005" n="5"/>suscipiant, putare constare sibi debere, an forte eiusmodi resolutiones <w lemma="Caesaris"><orig>Caesa-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_006" n="6"/><orig>ris</orig></w> minus accomodatae sint ad eam, quae statibus competit, libertatem. <w lemma="Ostensum"><orig>Osten-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_007" n="7"/><orig>sum</orig></w> a nobis recte prorsus Gallis responsum, nec enim teneri Caesarem illis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_008" n="8"/>rationem reddere de his, quae ipse cum ordinibus imperii ageret, attamen <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_009" n="9"/>pro informatione dominorum mediatorum iterum nos contestari Caesarem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_010" n="10"/>nunquam in ea fuisse opinione, ut statibus imperii in qualibet imperiali <w lemma="consultatione"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_011" n="11"/><orig>sultatione</orig></w> ius suffragii denegaret. Venturos esse deputatos ordiniarios cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_012" n="12"/>solita potestate, quemadmodum in constitutionibus imperii dispositum <w lemma="invenitur"><orig>in-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_013" n="13"/><orig>venitur</orig></w>, comparituros deputatos electorum collegialiter, eadem prorsus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_014" n="14"/>ratione mandatorios quoque deputatorum principum et ordinum <w lemma="reliquorum"><orig>reliquo-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_015" n="15"/><orig>rum</orig></w>, habituros plenissimam consultandi, nobiscum concludendi libertatem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_016" n="16"/>nosque eorum consiliis, votis, conclusis usuros et non, nisi quae inter [eos] <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_017" n="17"/>peracta et conclusa essent, cum aduersariis tractaturos. Aliam si Galli <w lemma="rationem"><orig>ratio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_018" n="18"/><orig>nem</orig></w> extorquere velint, palam fore ipsos non rerum tractandarum <w lemma="securitatem"><orig>securita-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_019" n="19"/><orig>tem</orig></w>, sed ordinum secessiones machinari. Tum Venetus: vellem ante sex <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_020" n="20"/>menses hanc resolutionem captam vobis esse.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_021" n="21"/>Dein ratione electoris Treuirensis, quamvis appareret ulterius nihil replicare <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_022" n="22"/>posse, tamen, quod nuper insinuatum, ut caussa ipsius inter confaederatos <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_023" n="23"/>priori loco discutiatur ac tum de maiori libertate ipsi certis reseruatis <w lemma="concedenda"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_024" n="24"/><orig>cedenda</orig></w> agatur, saltem spem ostendendam aliquam. Respondimus nos <w lemma="statim"><orig>sta-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_025" n="25"/><orig>tim</orig></w> de his ad Caesarem retulisse et breui suae maiestatis sententiam expectare. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_026" n="26"/>De confaederatis reliquis suo tempore nominandis et clausula illa in primo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_027" n="27"/>capite futurae pacificationis ponenda putabat aequum hoc esse sicut etiam de <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_028" n="28"/>mandato tractandi cum landgrauia Hassiae Gallos contentos esse debere.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_029" n="29"/>Quod ad eam quaestionem attineret, an Galli mandatum habeant assistendi <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_030" n="30"/>protestantibus circa grauamina, uterque suam operam pollicitus est <w lemma="eamque"><orig>eam-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_031" n="31"/><orig>que</orig></w> cautionem, quae a nobis petita, omnino et diligenter obseruare velle et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_032" n="32"/>sua sponte facturos, quamvis non petiissemus. Putabat tamen Venetus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_033" n="33"/>Gallos se difficulter ad dandum aliquod responsum cathegoricum <w lemma="adigi"><orig>ad-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_034" n="34"/><orig>igi</orig></w> passuros. Et se nuper etiam hac de re cum Oxenstierna collocutum, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_035" n="35"/>cuius opinionem esse negocium hoc facilius, quam nobis imaginemur, <w lemma="componi"><orig>com-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_036" n="36"/><orig>poni</orig></w> posse; protestantes fore in ipsius parte, si ex parte altera catholici se <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_037" n="37"/>Gallis permittant, breuem negocii transactionem fore; tollendam esse illam, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_038" n="38"/>quae paci Pragensi inserta est, suspensionem ad 40 annos ac perpetua <w lemma="decisione"><orig>deci-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_039" n="39"/><orig>sione</orig></w> talia bona protestantibus relinquenda; et nonnulla alia restare, quae <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_040" n="40"/>facile componi possint. Tum ego arrepta occasione, ut aliquo modo <w lemma="scrutarer"><orig>scruta-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_041" n="41"/><orig>rer</orig></w>, quae mens Suecorum esset: ergo, inquam, Oxenstierna venientibus huc <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_042" n="42"/>ordinariis imperii deputatis etiam ipse venire constituit, id enim negocio <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_043" n="43"/>omni celerius conficiendo facere videtur. At Venetus: hac ipsa de re cum illo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0376l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00376_044" n="44"/>egi, sed respondit a principio minus id sibi graue futurum fuisse, sed cum<pb n="329" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00377"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_001" n="1"/>iam res suas domesticas Osnabrugis constituerint, tum et propter alias <w lemma="caussas"><orig>caus-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_002" n="2"/><orig>sas</orig></w> fieri id amplius non posse. Nimirum apparet, subiunxi ego, Suecos nolle <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_003" n="3"/>videri, quasi Gallis aliquam concesserint praeeminentiae gradum. Idque <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_004" n="4"/>verum esse uterque asseruerunt.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_005" n="5"/>Circa punctum assecurationis prolato libro, quo pacificatio Cameracensis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_006" n="6"/>continetur, cum locum a nobis allegatum inspexissent, responderunt: Gallos <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_007" n="7"/>rationem habere non posse, cur strictiora a Caesare pacificationis firmamenta <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_008" n="8"/>postulare debeant, quam ipsi dare parati sint, sed de his suo loco actum iri. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_009" n="9"/>Denique sperare se residentem Romanum, qui pridie Parisiis reuersus esset, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_010" n="10"/>noua mandata secum attulisse, ut forte expeditius posthac ad rem ipsam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_011" n="11"/>deueniri possit, hocque magis se sollicitaturos a Gallis, ut vel nostrae <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_012" n="12"/>respondeant propositioni vel sua edant postulata. His ita peractis <w lemma="discessimus"><orig>disces-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_013" n="13"/><orig>simus</orig></w>.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_014" n="14"/>Eadem vero die, priusquam nos adueniremus, etiam Hispani suam <w lemma="responsionem"><orig>respon-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_015" n="15"/><orig>sionem</orig></w> ad propositionem Gallicam dominis mediatoribus obtulerunt, cuius <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_016" n="16"/>exemplar vide [<hi style="font-style:italic;">634</hi>]. Dinstags, den 18. huius, schreiben Ihr Kayserliche <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_017" n="17"/><note xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_a01" type="app" subtype="docNote" place="endpage" facs="#APWIIIC2-1_p0377l17" target="#bsb00056742_00377_017"><p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_036" n="36"/><hi style="font-style:italic;">17</hi> Dinstag] <hi style="font-style:italic;">am Rande:</hi> A Caesare resolutio super cassatione suspensi[vi] effectus amnestiae.</p></note>Maiestät vom 3. huius auß Wien, daß sie entschlossen, uff der reichständen <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_018" n="18"/>so instendig anhalten den effectum suspensiuum amnestiae ze relaxirn, <w lemma="wölches"><orig>wöl-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_019" n="19"/><orig>ches</orig></w> denn churfürstlichen anzezeigen. Sie weren auch im werkh, mit ehistem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_020" n="20"/>die außferttigung und benennung der executionscommissarien ergehen <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_021" n="21"/>ze lassen. Hettens dißmal einstellen müessen, weil selbe acta noch zu Prag <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_022" n="22"/>ligen, deren sie doch stündtlich erwarttend [<hi style="font-style:italic;">635</hi>].</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_023" n="23"/>Eodem von Rom a duca Sauelli primo huius [<hi style="font-style:italic;">636</hi>].</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_024" n="24"/>Eodem schreiben wir nach Oßnabrukh communicando extractum <w lemma="protocolli"><orig>proto-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_025" n="25"/><note xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_a02" type="app" subtype="docNote" place="endpage" facs="#APWIIIC2-1_p0377l25" target="#bsb00056742_00377_025"><p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_037" n="37"/><hi style="font-style:italic;">25</hi> Eodem] <hi style="font-style:italic;">am Rande:</hi> Oßnabrukh.</p></note><orig>colli</orig></w>, waß die mediatoren in puncto passports vor denn Rortée bei unß <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_026" n="26"/>negocirt [<hi style="font-style:italic;">637</hi>].</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_027" n="27"/>Eodem empfangen wir von inen weitern bericht, 1. daß die Schweden zwar <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_028" n="28"/>sich ungern ad translationem nach Münster verstehen werden, doch <w lemma="vermeinen"><orig>ver-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0377l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00377_029" n="29"/><orig>meinen</orig></w> sie, man solts negociren ex causis ibi allegatis [<hi style="font-style:italic;">638</hi>].</p>
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