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	  <p><hi style="font-style:italic;">Montag</hi> Darauff anttwortt er<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164n1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_dok0135_n01"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_040" n="40"/>Velen auf das Schreiben vom 21. April.</p></note> vom 22. huius, verstehets uff <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_025" n="25"/>eine neutralitet und helts uff 4 oder 5 meil unrathsamb, vermeint, in omnem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_026" n="26"/>euentum sollt mans uff 10 meil extendiren, damit käme Dorsten und <w lemma="Meppen"><orig>Mep-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_027" n="27"/><orig>pen</orig></w><note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164n2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_dok0135_n02"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_041" n="41"/>Dorsten an der Lippe, kurkölnische Festung im Vest Recklinghausen. Meppen, Festung an <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_042" n="42"/>der Ems im Niederstift Münster.</p></note> auch in sicherheit etc. [<hi style="font-style:italic;">236</hi>].</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_028" n="28"/>Wir berichten ine aber hinwider vom 25. huius, daß es den verstand nit hab <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_029" n="29"/>zu einer neutralitet, sondern allein zu gemeldter befreyung, in wölcher daß <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_030" n="30"/>marchiren in casu necessitatis wol köndte außgenommen werden, mit <w lemma="begehren"><orig>be-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_031" n="31"/><orig>gehren</orig></w> seines fernern guettachtens [<hi style="font-style:italic;">237</hi>].</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_032" n="32"/><note xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_a04" type="app" subtype="docNote" place="endpage" facs="#APWIIIC2-1_p0164l32" target="#bsb00056742_00164_032"><p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_039" n="39"/><hi style="font-style:italic;">32</hi> Lunae] <hi style="font-style:italic;">am Rande:</hi> Expositio obiectionum contra plenipotentiam Gallorum.</p></note>Lunae 25. huius ego et dominus comes conuenimus dominos interpositores, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_033" n="33"/>qui una erant in domo ipsius domini nuncii, ipsis exposuimus nostras <w lemma="difficultates"><orig>diffi-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_034" n="34"/><orig>cultates</orig></w> circa plenipotentiam Gallicam sequenti propositione oretenus <w lemma="prolata"><orig>pro-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0164l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00164_035" n="35"/><orig>lata</orig></w>:</p>
	  <p>    <pb n="117" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00165"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_001" n="1"/>Illustrissimi et Excellentissimi Domini. Cum nuper facta nobis <w lemma="plenipotentiae"><orig>plenipoten-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_002" n="2"/><orig>tiae</orig></w> Gallicae copia aliis tum distracti negociis mentem nostram, quid scilicet <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_003" n="3"/>nobis circa valorem et robur eiusdem videretur, statim aperire non <w lemma="potuerimus"><orig>potueri-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_004" n="4"/><orig>mus</orig></w> atque insuper necesse nobis fuerit ea de re cum suae Caesareae <w lemma="maiestatis"><orig>maie-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_005" n="5"/><orig>statis</orig></w> legatis Osnabrugum destinatis conferre, petendum ab Illustrissima <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_006" n="6"/>Vestra Dominatione Vestraque Excellentia nobis videmus, ut ne tantillum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_007" n="7"/>quod intercessit morae aegre tulisse velint. Res est de qua agitur haud <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_008" n="8"/>exigui momenti et quae multa ac magna consideratione opus habeat. Sunt <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_009" n="9"/>enim plenipotentiae et mandata legatorum quasi quaedam fundamenta et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_010" n="10"/>fulcra, quibus uniuersa pacis communis structura imponi atque superstrui <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_011" n="11"/>debet, quae quidem firma ac solida exaedificari nequit, nisi et illa prius <w lemma="fideliter"><orig>fide-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_012" n="12"/><orig>liter</orig></w> et circumspecte iacta esse constet. Re igitur cum quibus oportet <w lemma="diligenter"><orig>dili-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_013" n="13"/><orig>genter</orig></w> ponderata, priusquam negocium ipsum pacis aggrediamur, tria nobis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_014" n="14"/>puncta circa regis christianissimi legatorum plenipotentiam expendenda <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_015" n="15"/>esse videntur.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_016" n="16"/>Et primo quidem animaduertimus totum instrumenti contextum sub <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_017" n="17"/>nomine, persona et subscriptione regis directe factum et descriptum esse <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_018" n="18"/>nulla prorsus pupillaris aetatis vel administrationis tutelaris mentione facta, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_019" n="19"/>cum tamen notorium sit rege in pupillari aetate subque tutorum auctoritate <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_020" n="20"/>constituto nullum administrationis actum nisi tutorum auctoritate gestum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_021" n="21"/>valere posse. Et vero legitime constare debet actum tali auctoritate gestum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_022" n="22"/>esse, quod quidem ex ipso plenipotentiae instrumento probari posse nobis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_023" n="23"/>minime videtur. Etsi enim illa verba adiiciantur ’par l’aduis de la reyne <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_024" n="24"/>regente‘ etc., tamen, praeterquam a rege in pupillari aetate constituto <w lemma="proferuntur"><orig>pro-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_025" n="25"/><orig>feruntur</orig></w>, consilium illa denotant, non auctoritatem. Nec etiam regina ipsa <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_026" n="26"/>nec caeterorum administratorum quisque nomen suum subscripsit. Dicant <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_027" n="27"/>fortasse plenipotentiarii Gallici hanc esse consuetudinem et stylum curiae <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_028" n="28"/>regiae tempore minorennitatis regis atque ita sub praedefuncto rege, cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_029" n="29"/>adhuc in minoribus constitutus esset, obseruatum fuisse. Sed ista consuetudo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_030" n="30"/>in iis tantum rebus locum habere videtur, ubi in ipsa Gallia cum statibus, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_031" n="31"/>ordinibus et subditis regni agitur, quibus forma administrationis ignota esse <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_032" n="32"/>non potest et in quam ipsa voluntate parendi consensisse praesumuntur. In <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_033" n="33"/>iis vero, quae cum exteris geruntur, non ad usum cuiusque regni, sed ad ius <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_034" n="34"/>commune et gentium respiciendum esse neminem credimus negare posse. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_035" n="35"/>Sane non desunt haud contemnendae auctoritatis iurisconsulti, qui expresse <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_036" n="36"/>doceant regem, qui eius est aetatis, quae maturitatem iudicii non habet, pacem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_037" n="37"/>facere non posse, hoc enim casu remanente quidem in regis patrimonio ipso <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_038" n="38"/>imperii iure seorsim considerato, exercitium tamen administrationis penes <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_039" n="39"/>populum aut cui id populus commiserit esse. Et merito. Cum enim pacis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_040" n="40"/>exsecutio non tam regem quam populum uniuersum concernat nec sine <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_041" n="41"/>maximo singulorum damno subditorum frangatur, omnino rationi <w lemma="conveniens"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_042" n="42"/><orig>veniens</orig></w> est ea cautione in huiusmodi negotiis gerendis progredi, ut ne in <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_043" n="43"/>regis arbitrio sit post finitam tutelam solo minorennitatis obtentu excussa <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0165l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00165_044" n="44"/>pace ad bellum redire. Exemplum huius rei perillustre habemus, quando inter<pb n="118" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00166"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_001" n="1"/>Carolum V. Caesarem<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166n1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_dok0135_n03"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_036" n="36"/>Karl V. (1500–1558), Erbe der burgundischen Länder 1506, selbständig 1515, Kg. von Spanien <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_037" n="37"/>1516, Kaiser 1519, dankt ab 1555/56.</p></note> et Franciscum I. Galliarum regem<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166n2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_dok0135_n04"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_038" n="38"/>Franz I. (1494–1547), Kg. von Frankreich 1515.</p></note> pax inita fuit <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_002" n="2"/>Madriti anno Domini 1526<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166n3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_dok0135_n05"><p> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_039" n="39"/><hi style="font-style:italic;">Frieden von Madrid 1526 I 14 (Druck:</hi> J. <hi style="font-style:smallCaps;">DuMont</hi>, <hi style="font-style:italic;">Recueil II S. 112).</hi></p></note>; ibi enim, cum rex quasi capite minutus valide <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_003" n="3"/>transigere non posse videretur, ab eius matre, domina Aloysia<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166n4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_dok0135_n06"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_040" n="40"/>Luise (1476–1531), Tochter des Hgs. Philipp I. von Savoyen, verheiratet 1487 mit Charles d’ <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_041" n="41"/>Orléans (1459–1496), comte d’Angoulême.</p></note> duce <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_004" n="4"/>Sabaudiae, quam ille, antequam ad bellum Italicum proficisceretur, regentem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_005" n="5"/>et administratricem regni constituerat, oratores cum mandatis et <w lemma="plenipotentiis"><orig>pleni-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_006" n="6"/><orig>potentiis</orig></w> ab ipsa tanquam regente expeditis et quidem a curia parlamenti ut <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_007" n="7"/>loquuntur verificatis [adfuerunt]. Quod claro nobis argumento fuerit <w lemma="consuetudinem"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_008" n="8"/><orig>suetudinem</orig></w> illam nec perpetuam nec extra regni fines extendendam esse.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_009" n="9"/>Secundo: Adducuntur quaedam in proemio ad caussam et iustificationem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_010" n="10"/>belli pertinentia, ubi nonnullis in hanc sententiam praemissis per illa verba ’<w lemma="lequel"><orig>le-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_011" n="11"/><orig>quel</orig></w> ayant ésté contrainct de prendre les armes‘ etc. diserte asseritur regem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_012" n="12"/>defunctum iustis et toti mundo cognitis caussis ad bellum gerendum <w lemma="commotum"><orig>com-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_013" n="13"/><orig>motum</orig></w> fuisse. Cum autem in Caesaris regisque catholici mandatis nihil <w lemma="omnino"><orig>om-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_014" n="14"/><orig>nino</orig></w> tale reperiatur, non quod iustitiam bellorum a se gestorum coram aequo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_015" n="15"/>iudice propugnare nequeant, sed quod in eiusmodi instrumentis <w lemma="contentiosae"><orig>contentio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_016" n="16"/><orig>sae</orig></w> disputationi caussam dari nollent, sane perspicuum omnibus est haud <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_017" n="17"/>mediocriter laesum iri honorem Caesareum regiumque, si ad talem publice <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_018" n="18"/>exhibitam plenipotentiam in tractatus de pace descendere necesse haberent. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_019" n="19"/>Aequum igitur erit, ut, quemadmodum ab his regis christianissimi honori et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_020" n="20"/>existimationi parcitum est, pariter ab aduersa parte horum quoque honori et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_021" n="21"/>existimationi parceatur. Considerandum enim Vestrae Illustrissimae <w lemma="Dominationi"><orig>Domi-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_022" n="22"/><orig>nationi</orig></w> Vestraequae Excellentiae relinquimus, quid futurum existiment, si <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_023" n="23"/>Caesar reuocato a nobis mandato aliud submittat inserta aliqua praefatione, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_024" n="24"/>quam iniquis modis bello petitus ipse diuusque eius pater<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166n5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_dok0135_n07"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_042" n="42"/>Ferdinand II. (1578–1637), Erbe der innerösterreichisch-steiermärkischen Länder 1590, <w lemma="selbständig"><orig>selb-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_043" n="43"/><orig>ständig</orig></w> 1595, Kg. von Böhmen 1617, Kg. von Ungarn 1618, Kaiser 1619.</p></note> fuerit, quanta <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_025" n="25"/>necessitate compulsi ad arma deuenissent, ut imperium, se suaque omnia <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_026" n="26"/>defenderent aduersus vim iniustam. Plenipotentiae et mandata instrumenta <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_027" n="27"/>publica sunt, quae in omnium oculos notitiamque incurrunt, nemo hac <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_028" n="28"/>ratione iniustitiae aut violentiae notam vel infamiam sibi a praesenti et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_029" n="29"/>posterorum nostrorum aetate imputari aequo animo tulerit.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_030" n="30"/>Tertio: Videtur regis christianissimi legatis plenipotentia ad tractandum et <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_031" n="31"/>concludendum pacem dari nulla nisi coniunctim, praesentibus et adstantibus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_032" n="32"/>Galliarum confaederatis non solum diserte expressis, sed etiam generaliter <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_033" n="33"/>omnibus vel in imperio vel in Italia constitutis. Quo quidem loco duo nobis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_034" n="34"/>consideranda veniunt. Prius est, quod inter istos faederatos Caesari cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_035" n="35"/>ducissa Sabaudiae<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167n6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_dok0135_n08"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0166l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00166_044" n="44"/>Christine de France (1606–1663), Tochter Kg. Heinrichs IV., verheiratet 1619 mit Hg. Viktor<pb n="119"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_043" n="43"/>Amadeus I. von Savoyen (1587–1637), Regentin für ihren minderjährigen Sohn Karl Emanuel <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_044" n="44"/>II. (1634–1675).</p></note> aliisve Italiae principibus sicut etiam cum Hollandis <w lemma="bellum"><orig>bel-</orig><pb n="119" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00167"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_001" n="1"/><orig>lum</orig></w> non sit nec igitur caussam habet cum his de pace agendi aut eosdem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_002" n="2"/>tanquam regis christianissimi socios ad communes tractatus contra se <w lemma="admittendi"><orig>admit-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_003" n="3"/><orig>tendi</orig></w>. Atque idcirco, si plenipotentiarii Gallici his semotis aut absentibus <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_004" n="4"/>potestatem tractandi non haberent, videri possunt sufficienti mandato <w lemma="instructi"><orig>in-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_005" n="5"/><orig>structi</orig></w> non esse. Posterius est, quod allegata ordinum imperii cum rege <w lemma="christianissimo"><orig>chris-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_006" n="6"/><orig>tianissimo</orig></w> confoederatio seu colligatio, de qua tamen Caesareae maiestati <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_007" n="7"/>non constat, eiusdem dignitati et auctoritati directe repugnat. Videretur enim <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_008" n="8"/>Caesar acceptando talem plenipotentiam tacita quadam confessione etiam <w lemma="confaederationem"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_009" n="9"/><orig>faederationem</orig></w> inter ordines imperii et regem christianissimum, <w lemma="quemadmodum"><orig>quemadmo-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_010" n="10"/><orig>dum</orig></w> allegata est, approbasse, quod quidem salua maiestate sua, salua aurea <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_011" n="11"/>bulla, salua capitulatione Caesarea, saluis imperii constitutionibus facere nec <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_012" n="12"/>potest nec debet. Sane inter plurimas pacis cum regibus Galliarum <w lemma="conuentiones"><orig>conuentio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_013" n="13"/><orig>nes</orig></w> nullam eiusmodi clausulam plenipotentiarum instrumentis antehac <w lemma="adiectam"><orig>adiec-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_014" n="14"/><orig>tam</orig></w> fuisse notamus. In ipsis quidem pacificationum formulis, quae circa unius <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_015" n="15"/>alteriusve partis socios aut faederatos fieri oporteret, saepius cautum legimus. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_016" n="16"/>sed ista non nisi habito utrinque partium consensu processere. Unde in <w lemma="praeallegata"><orig>praeal-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_017" n="17"/><orig>legata</orig></w> Madritensi conuentione statim in principio haec verba leguntur: ’<w lemma="ensemble"><orig>en-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_018" n="18"/><orig>semble</orig></w> leurs amis, alliez et confédérez, qui par commun consentement dudits [!] <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_019" n="19"/>signeurs empereur et roy seront particulièrement dénommez et spécifiez et non <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_020" n="20"/>autrement‘. Quae cum ita sint, rogamus Illustrissimam Vestram <w lemma="Dominationem"><orig>Dominatio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_021" n="21"/><orig>nem</orig></w> Vestramque Excellentiam, pro insigni sua prudentia cum regis <w lemma="christiassimi"><orig>christia-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_022" n="22"/><orig>ssimi</orig></w> legatis agant, ut perspecta nostrorum postulatorum aequitate cogitent, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_023" n="23"/>qua ratione his remedia adferri planiorque via ad inchoandos negotii <w lemma="principalis"><orig>principa-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_024" n="24"/><orig>lis</orig></w> tractatus sterni queat. Possumus enim confirmare sacram Caesaream <w lemma="maiestatem"><orig>maie-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_025" n="25"/><orig>statem</orig></w> nihil potius habere, quam ut remotis omnibus difficultatibus atque <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_026" n="26"/>dubitationum caussis mature, syncere, tuto et quemadmodum publica fide <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_027" n="27"/>agentibus conuenit ad summam negocii propositi progredi liceat.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_028" n="28"/>Ad hanc propositionem dominus nuncius, cum leuiter primas loquendi <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_029" n="29"/>Veneto detulisset, facta breui dictorum recapitulatione Italico sermone <w lemma="respondit"><orig>re-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_030" n="30"/><orig>spondit</orig></w>: Satis superque se intellexisse, quae circa plenipotentiam Gallicam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_031" n="31"/>desideraremus, nec intermissuros omnia fideliter Gallis significare cumque <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_032" n="32"/>iis agere, ut quod rationi consentaneum fuerit praestent. Sperare tamen se <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_033" n="33"/>haud graue nobis futurum, si et ipsi, quae ad singula dici posse viderentur, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_034" n="34"/>nobis familiariter exponerent, non quod postulata nostra, quae quidem bene <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_035" n="35"/>considerata iustisque rationibus niti viderent, refutare cupiant, sed ut <w lemma="aliquanto"><orig>ali-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_036" n="36"/><orig>quanto</orig></w> clarius expensis utrinque rerum momentis constare possit, quomodo <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_037" n="37"/>haec de legitimatione disputatio utriusque partis bona venia finienda esse <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_038" n="38"/>videatur. Et primo, quod ad stylum sub nomine et persona regis attineret, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_039" n="39"/>videri sibi huic difficultati satis prouisum iri, si ratificatio eorum, quae de pace <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_040" n="40"/>conuenta erunt, non solum sub nomine regis sed etiam ordinum regni <w lemma="Galliarum"><orig>Galli-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_041" n="41"/><orig>arum</orig></w> expedienda promittatur, id quod et legatis Hispanicis placuerit. Deinde <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0167l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00167_042" n="42"/>Gallos dicere huiusmodi stylum iam a mille annis, quoties casus aliquis <w lemma="minorennitatis"><orig>mino-</orig><pb n="120" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00168"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_001" n="1"/><orig>rennitatis</orig></w> regiae interuenisset, obseruatum fuisse, ubi et quandocunque cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_002" n="2"/>exteris aliquid publico nomine agendum fuerit, unde colligi possit ipsos ex <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_003" n="3"/>hoc quidem capite nullam immutationem suae plenipotentiae admissuros. In <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_004" n="4"/>secundo puncto videre se obstaculum, quo nisi sublato longis et acerbis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_005" n="5"/>disputationibus ansam datum iri negare omnino non possint, nec enim se <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_006" n="6"/>ignorare, quam iustas Caesar caussas pro se allegare possit. Itaque operam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_007" n="7"/>daturos, ut remedium conueniens inueniatur. In tertio autem puncto <w lemma="priorem"><orig>prio-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_008" n="8"/><orig>rem</orig></w> difficultatem nobis haud attendendam fore, satis constare Caesari cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_009" n="9"/>ducissa Sabaudiae caeterisque Italiae statibus, item cum Hollandis bellum non <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_010" n="10"/>esse, sed plenipotentiam Gallicam non tantum cum Caesare verum etiam <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_011" n="11"/>cum Hispanis tractandi potestatem continere, ad quos proprie ista clausula <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_012" n="12"/>spectare videretur. De ordinibus vero imperii putare se Caesarem <w lemma="acceptando"><orig>accep-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_013" n="13"/><orig>tando</orig></w> plenipotentiam Gallicam cum his ibi allegatam colligationem <w lemma="approbasse"><orig>appro-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_014" n="14"/><orig>basse</orig></w> censeri non posse. Aliud enim esse admittere illos tanquam faederatos, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_015" n="15"/>aliud adprobare faedus. Hanc enim quaestionem, an iure vel iniuria cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l16" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_016" n="16"/>Gallis se coniunxerint, ad ipsos tractatus pertinere, ubi Caesarem <w lemma="impeditum"><orig>impe-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l17" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_017" n="17"/><orig>ditum</orig></w> non iri, quae ad ius maiestatemque suam tuendam facerent, allegare. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l18" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_018" n="18"/>Iam autem a Gallis reponi posse ordines imperii secum faederatos admitti <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l19" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_019" n="19"/>debere per tractatus praeliminares decisum esse.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l20" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_020" n="20"/>Nos ad singula respondimus, et primo quod ad formam contextus attineret, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l21" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_021" n="21"/>constare oportere stylum istum antehac cum exteris obseruatum et <w lemma="acceptatum"><orig>accep-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l22" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_022" n="22"/><orig>tatum</orig></w> fuisse. Etsi enim sciamus in renouanda neutralitate super comitatu <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l23" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_023" n="23"/>Burgundiae<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168n1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_dok0135_n09"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l41" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_041" n="41"/>Vertrag von Paris 1610 XII 10 (Druck: <hi style="font-style:normal;">J.</hi> <hi style="font-style:smallCaps;">DuMont</hi> V 2 S. 153ff), ratifiziert durch Ehg. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l42" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_042" n="42"/>Albert (1559–1621) und die Infantin Isabella Clara Eugenia (1566–1633) als Regenten der <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l43" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_043" n="43"/>Niederlande 1611 I 20, durch Frankreich 1611 II 1.</p></note> post mortem Henrici quarti<note type="edd" subtype="commAnnot" place="foot" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168n2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_dok0135_n10"><p style="font-style:italic;"> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l44" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_044" n="44"/>Heinrich IV. (1551–1610), Kg. von Navarra 1572, Kg. von Frankreich 1589.</p></note> eandem formam fuisse adhibitam, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l24" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_024" n="24"/>tamen casum illum a praesenti plurimum differre, nam et bellum tum <w lemma="temporis"><orig>tem-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l25" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_025" n="25"/><orig>poris</orig></w> inter Galliae et Hispaniarum coronas fuisse nullum et renouationem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l26" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_026" n="26"/>illam non fuisse nouam conuentionem, sed iam pridem initae prorogationem <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l27" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_027" n="27"/>ideoque minoris praeiudicii. Nunc autem cum maius praeiudicium vertat, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l28" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_028" n="28"/>maiori etiam cautela opus esse. Quod autem ratificatio sub nomine et <w lemma="consensu"><orig>con-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l29" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_029" n="29"/><orig>sensu</orig></w> statuum regni expedienda offeratur, id quidem respuendum non <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l30" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_030" n="30"/>videri, sed tamen securos nos interea de tractantium potestate reddi <w lemma="oportere"><orig>opor-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l31" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_031" n="31"/><orig>tere</orig></w>. In secundo puncto libenter nos intellexisse dominos mediatores <w lemma="pondus"><orig>pon-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l32" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_032" n="32"/><orig>dus</orig></w> et grauitatem nostrae oppositionis attendere. Sane Caesareae maiestati <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l33" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_033" n="33"/>integrum non esse tanto suae caussae praeiudicio ad tractatus descendere. <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l34" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_034" n="34"/>Posse iustitiam caussae Deo utrinque committi. Si pacem inire cupiant Galli, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l35" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_035" n="35"/>contentos esse oportere, ut de iis tantum, quae ad componendas discordias <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l36" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_036" n="36"/>proprie spectant, agatur. In tertio dare nos interpositorum sollicitudini, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l37" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_037" n="37"/>quod clausulam istam benigne interpretentur, sed tamen nobis de mente <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l38" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_038" n="38"/>Gallorum, quam illi futuro tempore vel etiam in his ipsis tractatibus super <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l39" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_039" n="39"/>interpretatione istius clausula allaturi sint, non constare. Nobis omnino <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0168l40" xml:id="bsb00056742_00168_040" n="40"/>adlaborandum, ne ista occasione Caesareae maiestati directe vel indirecte<pb n="121" facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169" sameAs="#bsb00056742_00169"/><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l1" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_001" n="1"/>praeiudicium aliquod obiiciatur. Simultaneam istam coniunctionem eorum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l2" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_002" n="2"/>statuum, cum quibus controuersia armata non est, Caesaris partes <w lemma="summopere"><orig>summ-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l3" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_003" n="3"/><orig>opere</orig></w> grauare ideoque admitti non posse. Conuentionis praeliminaris eum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l4" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_004" n="4"/>sensum non esse, de saluis conductibus ibi actum, non qua forma et modo ad <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l5" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_005" n="5"/>tractandum admitti debeant. Rem in eo verti, ut Gallicis plenipotentiariis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l6" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_006" n="6"/>nostrae oppositiones exponantur. Si eam dederint ad singula declarationem, <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l7" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_007" n="7"/>quae tollerari et ad quam salua Caesaris maiestate citraque praeiudicium in <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l8" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_008" n="8"/>tractatus descendi possit, a nobis quoque nihil nisi quod rationi <w lemma="consentaneum"><orig>consen-</orig> <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l9" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_009" n="9"/><orig>taneum</orig></w> sit expectandum fore.</p>
	  <p><lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l10" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_010" n="10"/>Super his cum paulisper sermones miscuissemus, dominus nuncius singulas <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l11" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_011" n="11"/>nostras oppositiones sumto calamo breuiter notauit seque statim de his cum <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l12" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_012" n="12"/>Gallis communicaturos receperunt. Sub finem adiecit Venetus id nobis <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l13" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_013" n="13"/>quoque significare se posse, Gallos nihil habere, quod nostrae plenipotentiae <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l14" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_014" n="14"/>obiicere cupiant. Itaque discessimus comitante nos domino nuncio, Veneto <lb facs="APWIIIC2-1_p0169l15" xml:id="bsb00056742_00169_015" n="15"/>autem in conclaui remanente.</p>
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